[TI] Allegati Questions

Tue Oct 27 21:22:16 CDT 2009

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Hi all=2C
I just got back from the LDS library reviewing Allegati for Trabia for 1890=
-99. Some of the allegati were in reverse order through the year (started w=
ith December). A few years were out of order (part of 1894 came after 1895)=
 and a few of the birth records came before the marriage records. In genera=
l=2C it was a fine mess! I agree with Terry! Either someone shoved the loos=
e pages back in after dropping them or someone was secretly sippin' on the =
vino when filing. Of course=2C once I found the records=2C what a wealth of=
 information! I felt bad for actually hoping the couple's parents were dece=
ased so I could go back another generation!=20
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> Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 20:45:31 -0500
> From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Allegati Questions
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> not all of them have the same reference number. I have found several=20
> that are very distinctly different and also some that do not have a=20
> number at all on the cover page
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> Terry Skibiski wrote:
>> The allegati records in my experience have the same reference number as =
the marriage record. So=2C if you have a copy of the marriage certificate a=
nd it is number 156=2C then the allegatti should also be number 156. That m=
ight help a little in your search. I have a feeling that sometimes the orig=
inal records may have become detached and separated from the original book=
=2C with the loose pages just shoved in a book in random order=2C and that =
is why they sometimes do not follow in date sequence on the microfilm=3B th=
ey got filmed however they were placed in the book. Just a guess=2C obvious=
ly=2C but it seems logical.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> --- On Tue=2C 10/27/09=2C Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrot=
e:
>>
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>>> From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [TI] Allegati Questions
>>> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>> Date: Tuesday=2C October 27=2C 2009=2C 5:39 PM
>>> John
>>>
>>> It appears that they are created for every marriage
>>> although I have found a few that were evidently missed when
>>> the LDS filmed them.
>>> No index at all. They are usually preceeded by a
>>> cover page. Some of the cover pages will tell you the
>>> year of the marriage and/or have a number on it that
>>> corresponds to the marriage document in the marriage films
>>> BUT NOT ALL DO. Nor are they always in number
>>> order. They may be totally out of order
>>> I872 was on that film. I ordered it to obtain a
>>> marriage document for someone in my tree a while back.=20
>>> I do not presently have the film in St Louis nor do I have
>>> digital images of it yet.
>>>
>>> Yes=2C there are birth and death allegati records as well -
>>> again - some births and deaths DID NOT have allegati records
>>> for them and I have found a few for documents that were
>>> missing from the original birth documents that have helped
>>> fill in the gaps. Some of them have already been
>>> transcribed into the database for the earlier years. I
>>> have found some documents.
>>>
>>> The allegati records were the proof that the couple were
>>> eligible to be married. They contained the births
>>> documents of the couple (or baptismal if the person was born
>>> before the civil records started in 1820)=2C deaths of
>>> previous spouses=2C deaths of parents and of the grandfathers=2C
>>> marriage banns=2C marriage contracts=2C residency statements=2C
>>> marriage banns from other towns (if the bride or groom were
>>> from somewhere else).
>>>
>>> John Mascari wrote:
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>>>> Are Allegati documents created for EVERY
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>>> matrimonio/marriage record?
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>>>> Is there an INDEX within the Allegati films for each
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>>> year?
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>>>> I ordered an Allegati film 2017215 Item 1 from my
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>>> FHC. The film is labelled Allegati 1871-1875.
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>>>> I was looking for additional information associated
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>>> with marriages that I already found within the TI Database.
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>>>> I could not find an index at the beginning or end of
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>>> the year on the film. I also did not find records for
>>> 1872=2C
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>>>> 1873=2C or 1874 on the film. I do not see another
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>>> film associated with those years. Does anyone know if
>>> the records for 1872-1874 are not filmed or damaged?
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>>>> I also find birth and death records that do not appear
>>>>=20
>>> to be associated with marriages contained within the
>>> Allegati records.
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>>>> Why would these be recorded in two places? Can
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>>> someone explain the primary purpose of the Allegati records
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>>>> (besides being very useful in finding great
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>>> genealogical information)?
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>>>> Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.=20
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>>> Thank you.
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